I am underway with chapter two of Pinker’s Language Instinct and he’s working at debunking the idea that words determine thoughts. The idea that words determine how we think is fairly widespread. There is even a movement that started in 1933 called General Semantics (and an institute: Institute of General Semantics) that, as Pinker describes it, goes so far as laying “the blame for human folly on insidious ‘semantic damage’ to thought perpetrated by the structure of language.”
The scientific basis of General Semantics is the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis which states that “people’s thoughts are determined by the categories made available by their language,” which means that “differences among languages cause differences in the thoughts of their speakers.” But language and thought are not the same thing, insists Pinker, and it is dangerous and just plain wrong to conflate the two.
We have all had the experience of uttering or writing a sentence, then stopping and realizing that it wasn’t exactly what we meant to say. To have that feeling, there has to be a “what we meant to say” that is different from what we said. Sometimes it is not easy to find any words that properly convey a thought. When we hear or read, we usually remember the gist, not the exact words, so there has to be such a thing as a gist that is not the same as a bunch of words. And if thoughts depended on words, how could a new word ever be coined? How could children learn a word to begin with? How could translation from one language to another be possible?
The Sapir-Whorf hypothesis also can’t stand on its own two feet. Edward Sapir made some interesting observations while studying some Native American languages. He noticed that speakers of different languages had to pay attention to different things in order to make grammatical sentences. For instance in English we have to pay attention to time in order to get the correct verb tense in relation to when we are speaking and when what we are speaking about happened. People who speak Wintu don’t have to bother with tense but they do have to pay attention to whether what they are saying is learned directly or secondhand and then use the appropriate verb suffix. Fine and interesting observations.
Sapir’s observations were taken up by Benjamin Lee Whorf who was and inspector for the Hartford Fire Insurance Company and had taken a class from Sapir at Yale. Whorf had the idea that language determines thinking from his work as a fire inspector. He came to believe that accidents happened because language led people to not understand the real danger of a situation. For instance, a worker had tossed “a cigarette into an ‘empty’ drum that in fact was full of gasoline vapor” and obviously the drum wasn’t empty after all. Whorf, who was also an amateur scholar of Native American languages, began writing articles using word-for-word translations of Native American languages to prove that Native Americans think differently that white Europeans because of the way their language is constructed.
Whorf based quite a lot of his theory on the Apache language. One of the biggest problems with Whorf is that he never studied the Apaches nor had he ever met one. He based his hypothesis solely on Apache grammar and the idea that since they speak differently they must think differently too. Whorf also used literal meanings in his translations, purposely producing sentences that were as odd sounding as possible in order to prove his point. As Pinker writes,
The idea that language shapes thinking seemed plausible when scientists were in the dark about how thinking works or even how to study it. Now that cognitive scientists know how to think about thinking, there is less of a temptation to equate it with language just because words are more palpable than thoughts.
All that and I am only halfway through the chapter! Pinker does not say that language cannot influence the way we think and see the world. We can be convinced of lots of things by clever use of language. What Pinker is saying is that the language we speak does not determine our thoughts–the things we think about or the way we think about them.
Interesting stuff, yes?
Very interesting. I’m going to puzzle over this for a while. How related is language to culture…or the reverse? Can’t wait until you finish the chapter!
Oh dear, I find I cannot really agree with Pinker. You see it may be true that we think things we cannot say, but unless we can say them then they live at best a silent, shadowy half life inside us. One might be able to argue for their existence, but pragmatically, they can do very little for us. We are still obliged to fit our feelings, sensations, whatever you like to call them, into the structure that’s available if we want to acknowledge and use them.
Ooooooooooooooh very interesting. Thanks for sharing this. I am interested in that sort of thing.
Yes, very interesting! I am going to have a hard time letting go of the idea that language shapes thought, because I feel quite sure that it shapes mine! Can’t wait to find out what the rest of the chapter says.
Very interesting — I’m kind of attached to the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis in my thinking, although I know it’s become unpopular, or at least challenged. But it makes so much sense to me! It’s hard to give up or rethink ideas like that. But I can see that while the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis might not be true in all its details, the idea that language shapes the way we see the world still holds true.
After being exposed to different kinds of meditation and awareness this is old news. There is a lot that happens in the mind below the level of words. Thinking in words can actually get in the way and slow us down. Some people think better in images or feelings, or even math. Just because we have evolved the use of language doesn’t mean that our earlier modes of thought have been lost or are of no use.
Jenclair, I’m hoping Pinker will address your question because I’m wondering the same thing.
Litlove, I understand what you are saying and agree that we are obliged to fit our thoughts and feelings into the language we have in order to express ourselves. But the thought comes before the attempt to express it so language doesn’t determine our thoughts and feelings. If anything I think language proves itself ultimately inadequate in expressing our thoughts and feelings, not in our ability to have them. It is a tricky and interesting thing to ponder, yes?
Melissa, glad you find it interesting. I will keep sharing as I continue reading.
Julie, it is a hard thing to let go of especially since the idea has made its way into general culture and seems like a given.
Dorothy, I was rather fond of Sapir-Whorf myself , but my attachment is quickly becoming more and more tenuous as I read.
Sylvia, yes, yes and yes! I think you have managed to say even better than Pinker does
It has also occurred to me that if thought originated in language, visual art, dance, and music would be meaningless to us. Obviously they are not, and in fact can have much more power than words. Would it be silly to say that language is the icing on the cognitive cake?
I wrote an article on Pinker’s inaccurate mish-mash Whorf and Korzybski, which was published in the Winter 2003 Edition of ETC: A Review of General Semantics. I’ll make available a link to the article, What We Do With Language—What It Does With Us, as soon as possible.
As a little foretaste of the article, here is a brief tidbit from it:
I decided to closely examine Pinker’s dismissal of linguistic relativity in his book The Language Instinct, to see if there was anything there that would require me to revise my own views. The lack of substance in his arguments surprised me. Pinker’s presentation does not seem notable for its accuracy and fairness regarding opposing views. It illustrates how someone nominally functioning as a scientist can block the way of inquiry. As [neuro-cognitive linguist Sydney] Lamb has noted, “Those who doubt that language can influence thinking are unlikely to be vigilant for the effects of language on their own thinking.”*
Sylvia, definitely icing on the cognitive cake
Bruce, I look forward to that link. Thanks for the “tease”
Here is the link for downloading a pdf file of my article,
{link:http://learn-gs.org/library/etc/60-4-kodish.pdf|”What We Do With Language—And What It Does With Us.}”
My attempt at html coding didn’t work here so I’ll just pull out the link to the pdf
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You can also find the article on the I.G.S. page for ETC, which has many articles from that journal<> You can find my article as the last link in the first section on GS articles.
Enjoy!
http://learn-gs.org/library/etc/60-4-kodish.pdf
Sheesh!
ETC page: http://learn-gs.org/library/etc/index.html
It really gave me a ‘hoot to read the quote from Pinker:
“The idea that language shapes thinking seemed plausible when scientists were in the dark about how thinking works or even how to study it. Now that cognitive scientists know how to think about thinking, there is less of a temptation to equate it with language just because words are more palpable than thoughts.”
If Pinker’s discussion of Whorf, etc. shows anything, it shows that he doesn’t have a clue about how to ‘think’ about ‘thinking’. He’s in the dark and, unfortunately as a very talented word-smith/propagandist for his views, leads others into ‘darkness’.
I’ll shut up now! 8->
Thanks for the links Bruce!
As I understand the history of the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis, it was generally accepted when it was published, then somewhat questioned around the time that Pinker published his book, and is now experiencing a resurgence incredibility due to new research, such as the research summarized in this article from The Economist.
I think to say that language limits our ability to think types of thoughts would be outrageous and to say that our language determines the words we use to express our thoughts is rather obvious.
I really enjoy reading about the various theories on what happens between the initiation of the thought and the expression of it. For example, I wonder and what role language plays in determining how we learn to optimize our thoughts for eventual expression into language.
Kim, thanks for the article link. I agree with your assessment. And your question is an interesting one. Cognitive science is still in its infancy. It will be exciting to follow all of the discoveries. But as fascinating as it all is I kind of hope too they that they don’t or can’t figure everything out. A little mystery in life isn’t a bad thing
The most convincing argument I’ve read against at least the strictest forms of linguistic relativism was also the best:
I. If I asked you to describe the face of the person you know best in the world, could you describe it so that I would recognize him/her out of a pool of a thousand similar-looking people?
II. Could you recognize that person anyway?
Of course, common sense says that language influences the way we see everything about the world. Otherwise, no one would care about the fact that President Bush talks about the “War on Terror” and Prime Minister Gordon Brown absolutely refuses to do so. Or the popularity of poets, who can describe things so mundane as leaves on a tree in a way that makes the world seem more beautiful.
Chesterton, that’s a good one. And you are right, it is common sense to say the language influences the way we see the world which is very different from saying that language determines how we think.
This is all too much for me today…can we have another kitten picture?
Sorry sister.
I went to graduate school with Pinker, and even at Harvard, he was considered the genius of the class, with his dissertation half-written upon admission and finishing in three years. Though I, myself, thought…well that’s not relevant here. When we were in school, the Whorfian hypothesis was dominant, and as someone whose first love was visual art, I always had a problem with it because I have always been a visual thinker. I think in images, not words. Never words. Even though I am now a writer and have to translate those images and feeling sensations into words. Sometimes I haven’t put my thoughts into words until I have actually written them. Therefore I blog.
Individual Voice, going to grad school with Pinker must have been interesting. Or maybe not. Was he nice or one of those know-it-all jerks nobody likes but has to get along with since he’s so smart? It must be interesting thinking primarily in images. I do on occasion think in images but not very often. And sometimes there are moments that I just know things without image or articulation. I like those moments best of all.
He was pompous, and my group of female friends found it amusing, charming, and annoying all at once.
Ah, I figured as much. Hopefully he’s dropped the pompous. I’ll be going to hear him talk on the 20th of this month so I’ll find out
I agree with the fact that language greatly constrains and directs our thoughts, however, I also agree that our thoughts and languages are separete.
I forget to say does this make sense?
Ok, just I want to understand how a person like Chomisky comes up with new ideas withoout being imaired by his language! The same question, one can not express himself as good.
Chomisky managed to over come language constraints while other can not and this will indicate that thought can be regenrated within the mind’s power, while to others language limits and pralize their thoughts.
Nice Blog
salem al salem makes a revolting argument! good one salem!
although, i find your findings bad. quite bad. i wonder sister, can we have another kitten picture?
(to stephanie)
ok. peace and love.
GETRUDE YOU REALLY ARE A DUMBASSS!!!
language obviously shapes the way you think.
and no one wants a god damn kitten picture so get over it!
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I was not sure about what linguists were looking for< were they interested in a language influence on one’s perception of the world or its influence on ones way of thinking when dealing with daily routines and communications.?
If you understand my point, I would not agree with the idea that stated, “language influence our thoght” however I may find excuse for those of us who belief that language shape and influence our daily communications and may cause misunderstanding and miscommunication which lead us to feel good or bad or send us crazy
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Like Gertrude when he responded to me< I was not sure of his words and whether he was serious or sarcastic HHH
have a nice day